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It's OK Silverbullet. I am ranting about the stock clutch. rocmoc n AZ/Mexico

But with other brands you have choices, Aftermarket, internet suppliers and cross products. We have no where to turn but to except whatever product or price put before us. Not good when you are trying to compete in today's market with other brands. 5% off a $300 stock clutch is still overpriced when I can buy a Hypo clutch for a Mustang for less. I was asked yesterday by a friend who has a Rhino if he should buy a Trooper. I had to tell him honestly I don't know if I would purchase again. Too many ducks in a row against the purchase and this in my mind is another. You can't tell me it even cost Joyner $100 to manufacture and import the $300 clutch. 200% profit is a bit much for a Chinese manufactured product. Maybe Joyner needs to sale thu Walmart to see what the real profit/markup is. Sorry but I am a bit ticked over paying $300 for a $100 clutch. rocmoc n AZ/Mexico

I would like to go somewhere new. I have been to Utah and while it maybe cool in the mountains, we have to travel thu many miles/over a day of nearly 100+ degrees before we get to cool weather. Going to Farmington, besides being a new area, would mean only about 3 hours of hot weather and only one or no large cities to drive thu depending on the route. LV is h*ll to pull thu going to Utah. rocmoc n AZ/Mexico

Now it is fixed.

Talked with Daven, the guy I met at the UTV Rally in Moab, and the replacement clutch from Progressive Performance did not work. So the only aftermarket replacement I have heard or read is Silverbullet's. I am not going to touch the flywheel so Silverbullet's is not an option for me. I have a Hypo classic car that also has that option and I am glad I stayed with the stock clutch from personal experience. Silverbullet, Just My Humble Opinion, JMHO! I am not going to get into the Technical reasons but as an Engineer & Racer, I have them. Daven also confirmed that Joyner is only selling parts thu the local dealers per instructions from the new owners, not impressed with the first action for the new owners! rocmoc n AZ/Mexico

OK this is an aggressive push! I would like to see the 2nd Joyner Rally held in Farmington, NM. Daven at Farr Offroad, http://www.teamjoynerusa.com/state_nm.html , has agreed and wants the Rally. He will lead us on the local trails and would even lead us on a secondary run of trails in Colorado in the Rockies 30 minutes of trailing to the North. He said he would put the Rally on his website and we should be able to pull more people from East of the crowd we had last time. Spring or Fall would work well per Daven. There is a location for dry camping or campgrounds with hookups. I would differently commit if this as the chosen location. I will say with due respect, I am not traveling to Utah. I have seen rock climbing and ATV trails on the Outdoor Channel and the area looks GREAT! Plus you are not that far from Taos, 4 Corners or Canyon de Chelly. rocmoc n AZ/Mexico

"Silverbullet. Sorry i did not get back to you sooner.The stage1 375. Stage 2 395." Silverbullet, that is for pressure plate & disk? rocmoc n AZ/Mexico

WELCOME, welcome! rocmoc n AZ/Mexico

SilverBullet, How much are your clutches? rocmoc n AZ/Mexico

All right had to find out myself so I will share with others. Stage 1 clutch, http://www.statracing.com/buy/cci/competit...-clutch-kit.asp Stage 2 clutch, http://thmotorsports.com/exedy-clutch/exed...it/g-50053.aspx Best part is, Can you believe you can purchase a Stage 2 clutch on Amazon, http://www.amazon.com/SPEC-SE022-Euro-Stag...h/dp/B000F1ZMXE rocmoc n AZ/Mexico

Have an appointment with Joyner Service Dept on Oct. 8th. I will drop off first thing in the morning and pickup in the afternoon. Pretty good service, trans repair/rebuild in the same day. I still have to resolve clutch, gaskets & brake pads before I go or purchase from them while I am there. rocmoc n AZ/Mexico

SilverBullet, How about that clutch info? Still don't understand where or how or what gives the different torque numbers. rocmoc n AZ/Mexico

Interesting for price comparison! http://www.xtremebargains.net/index.php?ma...ea86a0e47322218 rocmoc n AZ/Mexico

Finally, here are my pics. There are several. http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/2778309620104282158hsdiXp

Here are the pics, there are several. http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/2299640590104282158fAqOkk no longer valid

My understanding the engine is Geo. The Oil filter is. rocmoc n AZ/Mexico

silverbullet, please expand. I don't understand stage 1 , stage 2. Are we talking about two diff clutchs and are we also talking about pressure plate? Thanks, rocmoc n AZ/Mexico

Lenny, I reread everything and it was me. I did not keep up/notice the changes in discussion/post between wheel travel & shock travel. rocmoc n AZ/Mexico

"Just came in from my shop, the stock shocks have 4 1/2 of stroke, the new fox's have 8 1/2. I have to ad a limit spacer around the shaft to knock it down to 7 1/2 " of stroke. I have ended up with 14 " of travel in the back. the trailing arm needs to be dimpiled and the weld smothed when you are in full compresion to keep from rubbing the axle. Like i said before i have 300 over 600s in the back. I could not resit, i baught another set of shocks for the front to day. I am going to run 300 over 400s on the front. Shocks are around $200 apiece, I got one set for 189 apiece and the other set today for 175. Springs are around $75 apiece and it is two per shock. You could probably get 15" of travel, i just don't want to push my luck pulling the axle out. Don,t forget i have lowered the back diff so it is leting the wheels drop futher with out binding the cv's" Flatbed's post above. The 14" is swing arm travel. He used the Fox 2.0 with 8 1/2" of travel. I will have to install bump stops & limit straps on the Fox 2.0 with 10" of travel. What am I missing? I am talking about shock travel. I will keep the actual travel of the swing arm pretty much the same, I just want the better damping! rocmoc n AZ/Mexico

I think we are talking about different things. 10" of travel. http://offroadwarehouse.com/products/sfID1...7/productID/103 rocmoc n AZ/Mexico

Flatbed is running 10". He lowered the diff allowing for the extra length. rocmoc n AZ/Mexico

The axles were longer on the earlier built units. In fact the very first ones were too long and they would bind in the nuteral position. On the first units the axles were removed and shorten after delivery. They shorten the axles at least once at the factory but they could have more than once and went too far on some unit. I have one of the units with the first of the shorten axles from the factory or maybe shorten at USA assembly site. Lenny, YUP that is right where I put the mount. Only diff is I did not raise the mount to allow for the use of the 8" shock. I am mounted about 1/2" above the swing arm to allow for the same shock that Flatbed used. That will allow me to use his experience in spring & valve selection. rocmoc n AZ/Mexico

First we need a experenced mechanic and it an't me, LOL! I would some injector cleaner in the fuel first. With the new blend of gas it is more about time than miles. If the gas sits anytime at all it scales and is very hard on rubber hose. The stuff is crap! I have to do this with my trailer gen as it will sit a month between uses. Next; FLATBED or one of the dealers on here, what ya think? rocmoc n AZ/Mexico

Kinarfi, Yes this has been a concern of mine and have even thought of using steel chain as they do in NASCAR. Linny, I tried to find the pic of the mount & stop but have not been sucessful. I did see a limpse in one pic of the side of the mount. I remember seeing them but can't find them again. I must have spent an hour last night looking for them. I am working with Kinarfi about getting the pics up. rocmoc n AZ/Mexico

My filter was OK but finally the carbonfiber base came loose. I borrowed a friends K&N until I broke. I will replace with a K&N or there is a new great dry filter I saw in the speed shop. rocmoc n AZ/Mexico