cliffyk

In Florida "registered" means having a "tag'...

Florida has "titled/registered" and "titled/not registered" with "registered" denoting having been assigned a license plate (a "tag" in Florida-speak). LSVs are titled/registered (if the MCO declares it compliant with US Title 49 CFR 571.500); golf carts are neither unless converted to an LSV: A few years back there were several Jacksonville & vicinity ATV/UTV/golf cart dealers advertising "street legal" vehicles (Massimos were often offered as they will sell to anyone); by providing counterfeit certificates of origin and "tag office" services like auto dealerships. They all shut down about the same time

OK, I see now "how" you got it registered--the dealer in 2018-2019 most likely had a counterfeit MCO (that's about the period covered by the FLDHSMV alert) claiming it to be an LSV. They then tried to cover their backside by getting you to turn in the tag, but you didn't bite--good thinking there! The Tax Collector's Office is mostly brain dead, they'll renew it forever as long as you fork over their blood money...

Calm down, no one has called you a liar--just curious as to how you got an FL tag on it. There were a number of UTV/ATV and motorcycle shops producing fake MCOs. The Florida DHSMV issued an alert re: same in early 2020... (You can buy security paper MCO blanks on eBay--one of those "Don't ask me how I know." things)... FWIW--Here's a list from the US EPA showing who made Massimo vehicles from2015 to 2021--their only loyalty seems to be to the lowest cost maker...: ===================================================================================== Engine Family Manufacturer Name Year Engine OEM Manufacturer Vehicle OEM Manufacturer Models Certified cc kW @ rpm FMMMX.229U50 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2015 Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. GUNNER 250, GUNNER 250S 229 12.0 7500 FMMMX.393U10 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2015 Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. MSU 400-2, MSU 400-3, MSU 400-4 471 14.5 4500 FMMMX.471U20 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2015 Chongqing Huansong Science and Technologies Industrial Co., Ltd. Chongqing Huansong Science and Technologies Industrial Co., Ltd. ALLI 500, ALLI 550, KNIGHT 500, MSU 500 471 14.5 4500 FMMMX.686U30 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2015 Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. ALLI 700, ALLI 700SX, ALLI 700UX, KNIGHT 700, MHD 700, MSU 700 686 22.1 5000 FMMMX.686U60 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2015 Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. ALLI 700-4, MSU 700-4 735 28.5 5500 FMMMX.800U40 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2015 Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. ALLI 800, ALLI 800-2, MSU 800, MSU 800X 800 34.9 6000 FMMMX.800U40 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2015 Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. ALLI 800, ALLI 800-2, MSU 800, MSU 800X 800 34.9 6000 FMMMX.976U70 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2015 Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. MILITIA 1000, MILITIA 1000S, MILITIA 1000XS, SOLDIER 1000, SOLDIER 1000X, SOLDIER 1000X4, SPARTANX, SPARTANX4 976 48.9 7500 GMMMX.229U50 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2016 Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. GUNNER 250, GUNNER 250S 229 12.0 7500 GMMMX.229U50 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2016 Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. GUNNER 250, GUNNER 250S 229 12.0 7500 GMMMX.471U20 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2016 Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. ALLI 500, ALLI 550, KNIGHT 500, MSU 500 471 14.5 4500 GMMMX.471U20 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2016 Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. ALLI 500, ALLI 550, KNIGHT 500, MSU 500 471 14.5 4500 GMMMX.393U10 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2016 Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. MSU 400-2, MSU 400-3, MSU 400-4 471 14.5 4500 GMMMX.393U10 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2016 Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. MSU 400-2, MSU 400-3, MSU 400-4 471 14.5 4500 GMMMX.686U30 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2016 Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. ALLI 700, ALLI 700SX, ALLI 700UX, KNIGHT 700, MHD 700, MSU 700 686 22.1 5000 GMMMX.686U30 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2016 Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. ALLI 700, ALLI 700SX, ALLI 700UX, KNIGHT 700, MHD 700, MSU 700 686 22.1 5000 GMMMX.686U80 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2016 Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. ALLI 700-4, ALLI 700-5, MSU 700-4, MSU 700-5 735 28.5 5500 GMMMX.686U80 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2016 Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. ALLI 700-4, ALLI 700-5, MSU 700-4, MSU 700-5 735 28.5 5500 GMMMX.800U40 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2016 Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. ALLI 800, ALLI 800-2, MSU 800, MSU 800X 800 34.9 6000 GMMMX.800U40 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2016 Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. ALLI 800, ALLI 800-2, MSU 800, MSU 800X 800 34.9 6000 GMMMX.976U70 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2016 Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. MILITIA 1000, MILITIA 1000S, MILITIA 1000XS, SOLDIER 1000, SOLDIER 1000X, SOLDIER 1000X4, SPARTANX, SPARTANX4 976 48.9 7500 GMMMX.976U70 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2016 Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. MILITIA 1000, MILITIA 1000S, MILITIA 1000XS, SOLDIER 1000, SOLDIER 1000X, SOLDIER 1000X4, SPARTANX, SPARTANX4 976 48.9 7500 HMMMX.196MBG Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2017 Chongqing Rato Technology Co., Ltd. Changzhou Globe Co., Ltd. MB200 196 3.6 3600 HMMMX.196MBG Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2017 Chongqing Rato Technology Co., Ltd. Changzhou Globe Co., Ltd. MB200 196 3.6 3600 HMMMX.229U50 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2017 Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. GUNNER 250, GUNNER 250S 229 12.0 7500 HMMMX.391XYB Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2017 Taizhou Nebula Power Co., Ltd. Taizhou Nebula Power Co., Ltd. XY450U-A 391 19 6500 HMMMX.471U20 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2017 Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. ALLI 500, KNIGHT 500, MSU 500 471 14.5 4500 HMMMX.393U10 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2017 Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. KNIGHT 400, MSU 400 471 14.5 4500 HMMMX.686U30 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2017 Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. ALLI 700, KNIGHT 700, MSU 700 686 22.1 5000 HMMMX.686MTL Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2017 Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. WARRIOR 686 22.1 5000 HMMMX.686U80 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2017 Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. ALLI 700-4, ALLI 700-5, MSU 700-4, MSU 700-5 735 28.5 5500 HMMMX.800U17 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2017 Shandong Liangzi Power Co., LTD Shandong Liangzi Power Co., LTD Massimo 800-2, Massimo 800-3, Massimo 800-4, Massimo 800-5, Massimo 800-6, Massimo 800-7, UTV800-2 800 44 6000 HMMMX.976U70 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2017 Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. MILITIA 1000, MILITIA 1000S, MILITIA 1000XS 976 48.9 7500 JMMMX.196MBG Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2018 Chongqing Rato Technology Co., Ltd. Changzhou Globe Co., Ltd. MB200 196 3.6 3600 JMMMX.196MBG Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2018 Chongqing Rato Technology Co., Ltd. Changzhou Globe Co., Ltd. MB200 196 3.6 3600 JMMMX.229U50 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2018 Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. Cowboy 250, GUNNER 250, GUNNER 250S, Spire 250 229 12.0 7500 JMMMX.391XYB Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2018 Taizhou Nebula Power Co., Ltd. Taizhou Nebula Power Co., Ltd. Buck 400, Cowboy 400S, XY450U-A 391 19 6500 JMMMX.471U20 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2018 Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. ALLI 500, KNIGHT 500, MSU 500, OFH 500 471 14.5 4500 JMMMX.686MTL Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2018 Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. WARRIOR 686 22.1 5000 JMMMX.686U30 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2018 Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. ALLI 700, Bighorn 700, Cowboy 700, KNIGHT 700, MSU 700, OFH 700 686 22.1 5000 JMMMX.686U80 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2018 Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. Chongqing Huansong Science and Technology Industrial Co., Ltd. ALLI 700-4, ALLI 700-5, Bighorn 700X Crew, MSU 700-4, MSU 700-5, OFH 700-5 735 28.5 5500 JMMMX.800U17 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2018 Shandong Liangzi Power Co., LTD Shandong Liangzi Power Co., LTD MXU 800, MXU 800-5, UTV800-2, Warrior 800, Warrior 800-6 800 44 6000 JMMMX.976U17 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2018 Shandong Liangzi Power Co., LTD Shandong Liangzi Power Co., LTD MXU 1000, MXU 1000-5, UTV1000-4, Warrior 1000, Warrior 1000-6 976 63.7 6500 KMMMX.177XYD Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2019 Taizhou Nebula Power Co., Ltd. Taizhou Nebula Power Co., Ltd. Buck 200, Cowboy 200 177 6.5 6500 KMMMX.196MBG Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2019 Chongqing Rato Technology Co., Ltd. Changzhou Globe Co., Ltd. MB200 196 3.6 3600 KMMMX.196MBG Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2019 Chongqing Rato Technology Co., Ltd. Changzhou Globe Co., Ltd. MB200 196 3.6 3600 KMMMX.352LHA Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2019 Jiangsu Linhai Power Machinery Group Co., Ltd. Jiangsu Linhai Power Machinery Group Co., Ltd. Dragonfly 400, Gray Wolf 400, LH400ATV-2D, MSA-400, MSA-400S, MSA-400U 352 17 6500 KMMMX.391XYB Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2019 Taizhou Nebula Power Co., Ltd. Taizhou Nebula Power Co., Ltd. Buck 400, Cowboy 400S, XY450U-A 391 19 6500 KMMMX.493ML9 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2019 Jiangsu Linhai Power Machinery Group Co., Ltd. Jiangsu Linhai Power Machinery Group Co., Ltd. Altus 550, Landboss 550, MSU-550, T-BOSS 550 493 21 6000 KMMMX.800U17 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2019 Shandong Liangzi Power Co., LTD Shandong Liangzi Power Co., LTD MSU 800, MSU 800-4, MSU 850, MSU 850-5, UTV800-2, Warrior 800, Warrior 800-6 800 44 6000 KMMMX.976U17 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2019 Shandong Liangzi Power Co., LTD Shandong Liangzi Power Co., LTD MXU 1000, MXU 1000-5, UTV1000-4, Warrior 1000, Warrior 1000-6 976 63.7 6500 LMMMX.177XYD Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2020 Taizhou Nebula Power Co., Ltd. Taizhou Nebula Power Co., Ltd. Buck 200, Cowboy 200 177 6.5 6500 LMMMX.196LHB Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2020 Jiangsu Foma High-Tech Power Machinery Co., Ltd. Jiangsu Linhai Power Machinery Group Co., Ltd. MB200 196 3.6 3600 LMMMX.196LHB Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2020 Jiangsu Foma High-Tech Power Machinery Co., Ltd. Jiangsu Linhai Power Machinery Group Co., Ltd. MB200 196 3.6 3600 LMMMX.352LHU Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2020 Jiangsu Linhai Power Machinery Group Co., Ltd. Jiangsu Linhai Power Machinery Group Co., Ltd. Bennche 410, MSU 450, T-BOSS 410 352 17 6500 LMMMX.352LHA Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2020 Jiangsu Linhai Power Machinery Group Co., Ltd. Jiangsu Linhai Power Machinery Group Co., Ltd. Dragonfly 400, Gray Wolf 400, LH400ATV-2D, MSA-400, MSA-400S, MSA-400U 352 17 6500 LMMMX.391XYB Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2020 Taizhou Nebula Power Co., Ltd. Taizhou Nebula Power Co., Ltd. Buck 400, Cowboy 400S, XY450U-A 391 19 6500 LMMMX.493ML9 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2020 Jiangsu Linhai Power Machinery Group Co., Ltd. Jiangsu Linhai Power Machinery Group Co., Ltd. Altus 550, Landboss 550, MSU-550, T-BOSS 550 493 21 6000 LMMMX.800U17 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2020 Shandong Liangzi Power Co., LTD Shandong Liangzi Power Co., LTD MSU 800, MSU 800-4, MSU 850, MSU 850-5, UTV800-2, Warrior 800, Warrior 800-6 800 44 6000 LMMMX.976U17 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2020 Shandong Liangzi Power Co., LTD Shandong Liangzi Power Co., LTD MXU 1000, MXU 1000-5, UTV1000-4, Warrior 1000, Warrior 1000-6 976 63.7 6500 MMMMX.196LHB Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2021 Jiangsu Foma High-Tech Power Machinery Co., Ltd. Jiangsu Linhai Power Machinery Group Co., Ltd. MB200, MB200DY, MB200i, Warrior200 196 3.6 3600 MMMMX.196LHB Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2021 Jiangsu Foma High-Tech Power Machinery Co., Ltd. Jiangsu Linhai Power Machinery Group Co., Ltd. MB200, MB200DY, MB200i, Warrior200 196 3.6 3600 MMMMX.352LHU Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2021 Jiangsu Linhai Power Machinery Group Co., Ltd. Jiangsu Linhai Power Machinery Group Co., Ltd. BUCK 450, BUCK 450X, Bennche 410, MSU 450, T-BOSS 410, T-BOSS 410X 352 17 6500 MMMMX.352LHA Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2021 Jiangsu Linhai Power Machinery Group Co., Ltd. Jiangsu Linhai Power Machinery Group Co., Ltd. Dragonfly 400, Gray Wolf 400, LH400ATV-2D, MSA-400, MSA-400S, MSA-400U 352 17 6500 MMMMX.493ML9 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2021 Jiangsu Linhai Power Machinery Group Co., Ltd. Jiangsu Linhai Power Machinery Group Co., Ltd. Altus 550, Landboss 550, MSU-550, T-BOSS 550, T-BOSS 550F 493 21 6000 MMMMX.800U17 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2021 Shandong Liangzi Moto Co., Ltd. Shandong Liangzi Moto Co., Ltd. MSU 800, MSU 800-4, MSU 850, MSU 850-5, UTV800-2, Warrior 800, Warrior 800-6 800 44 6000 MMMMX.976U17 Massimo Motor Sports, LLC 2021 Shandong Liangzi Moto Co., Ltd. Shandong Liangzi Moto Co., Ltd. MXU 1000, MXU 1000-5, UTV1000-4, Warrior 1000, Warrior 1000-6 976 63.7 6500

Does it come with an MCO stating it's an LSV? Without that you'll not get a a Florida tag...

I have two left (you only need one the passenger belt is not bugged)--send me a SASE (I will PM my address) and I'll pop a couple back to you...

Mostly the fact that it doesn't. I drove mine over 1500 miles through Florid swamps and back country. It's a capable little beast, however it got bogged down in ale deep thick mud more than once--the drive train would not hold up to the rigors of snowplowing. The Hisun 400 is a recreational vehicle that can hit 45 mph flat out, the mule is a hardcore workhorse utility vehicle--different design goals. My 650 cc Ariens tractor has a small plow but you can't really plow much of anything with it.

The Coleman (Hisun) 400 does not have enough power to plow snow; and attempting to do so would most likely destroy the drive train in short order.

None, nor electric cars. It is an industry in it's infancy that needs time to mature. Electricity is not an energy source it needs to be generated from energy sources--currently in the civilized world a modestly inefficient process to create AC current, we then carry it, with losses, over power lines to it's application where in the case of electric vehicles we convert it to DC--with losses-to charge batteries to convert that stored energy to motive force (with losses) Direct conversion of an energy source (gasoline) to motive force is modestly inefficient but still in the overall more efficient than all the conversion and transmission loses. In any valid "Well to Wheels" analysis, modern ICE's win every time...

All quite accurate, however in this instance the 50 mm² cable and/or the manner in which the terminals were attached were inadequate to their task. Also, sizing of cables with less than 50 % of potential full-load capacity--then relying on a "normal usage" factor to save your butt--is hardly sound engineering.; an d again in this instance created a significant hazard. They should be sized for at least 80% of maximum load; however in the OP's case it looks as though the terminations were not properly crimped leading to excessive resistance...

This is a manufacturing defect... The cable is clearly marked as being 50 mm², equivalent to AWG 1 cable: The maximum allowable ampacity of 50 mm² cable is 110 A @ 140° F--however in continuous duty that capacity should be downgraded to 100 A, throw in a crimped terminal and your down to 85 A or so. The Sector E1 motor is claimed to be 27 HP which is 20.14 kW (27 *0.746). At 48 V in a single phase system it would require 419.6 A to deliver 20.14 kW--however as this a 3 phase motor each conductor needs to carry just 1/3rd of that 419.6 A.. Or, ≈ 140 A I.e. the cables are undersized, Copper is expensive and someone cut manufacturing costs in the wrong place...

Got any photos, each is worth 1k words...

Guess I'll need a kit for the table too...

With a genuine sadness on Friday, last, I sold my beloved "Thing" (Coleman Outfitter LSV 400/Hisun HS 400). As some of my fellow forum members are aware I recently suffered a massive stroke that negatively affected (a polite way of saying "completely f...... up") my left side. They said I'd never walk again--but I live to prove "experts" wrong, or 1/2 wrong anyway; My upper left side is FUBAR (I could not get into the beast without assistance and once in could not set (or release) the parking brake, or run the light switch or turn signals. The only way out was to fall out onto the lawn. Time to let it go... Gotta get woking on "modding" my new power wheelchair.--it's only 2WD, but has a motor for each wheel and with decent tires who knows??? I can still read, do research and and learn; I'll step-in from time to time when I think I can help-please feel free to tell me to "buzz-off" if I get i get annoying... -cliff- off into the night...

Are you referring to the seeatbelt and reverse gear limiter?