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Jarrad is 100% correct, Joyner are huge in Europe where they have their own type of street homologation street legal Buggies and the same Buggies as you have. Joyner in the UK, Spain, Germany and Greece are well established with good turn over. A lot of people don’t realise just how big Joyner is in Russia. They are in the Middle East, Caribbean, Australia (where there is good turnover) and here in NZ, plus other small markets. The big wheel keeps on turning as does the development of all Joyner Vehicles. Parts will not become unavailable period. The North American counties are too important for Joyner not to have a presence, so hopefully they will be back soon. Cheers Mike.

BOILING!!! It’s so hot and humid here, a man could melt away. It’s the hottest summer in living memory and beyond. It might be grass is greener syndrome, but I’m hanging out for winter big time. The temp at night is staying about 20 Celsius (70 Fahrenheit), but the cruncher is, it is still 100% humidity. Our top temp is not that high, maybe only 30 (86 for you), it’s the humidity that’s the killer. When I make my way to the States next, it wont be in Summer, I hate the heat. Cheers Mike.

We could do canvas mud stopper half doors in a choice of five colours for $149.99 and they unbuckle, so no Dukes of Hazard entry. We have not made any up yet, but measurements are all done and is ready to go. Here is a Gator mud stopper half door: http://www.pacificeagleusa.com/apps/webstore/products/show/2011417 . I must admit, I do like your first Photoshop pic. above. Cheers Mike.

Hi David and welcome to UTV Boards. Your more than welcome here and doubt very much if you will get any slack at all, especially from the regular members. I do have one question for you though, how do you work or fit in with JMC? The Joyner thread on here started with just a few of us and grew to such a stage where we now dominate the posts, so I see no reason why Qlink cant have the same success if you help spread the word amongst your customers. Im from a different country but the rest of the Joyner guys & girls get together from time to time for a get together and I know they would welcome you and future Qlink members with open arms. Cheers Mike.

Congrats Jarrad and Bob, I didn’t see that one coming. I’m a member too, but my name is nz4x4utv. Cheers Mike.

I'll put a lazy $10 on Lenny. I submit a question on YouTube and got a reply which was, "The driver on the turbo Joyner, shifted wrong on 3rd and it still catch up to the other trooper. A good driver would have done much better." Cheers Mike.

That’s why I posted it. I was confused with what I was seeing. Maybe I’ll ask the question on YouTube. Cheers Mike

Joyner trooper turbo VS joyner trooper Interesting comparison Cheers Mike

If I was to go aftermarket to upgrade my shocks, I would of gone down the same road as Kinarfi with F-O-A. If I went with Fox or the others, no doubt I would be happy too. Now there is no need to look any further than Joyner itself. The new shocks that are now part of the new Joyner models are available now for your Trooper. These have been manufactured to a very high standard and are made for the Joyner range of UTVs and Buggies. These shocks are pre-dial in and make a huge difference in the Troopers handling ability. If you interested, contact Jarrad (snowman 6479) or No Limits. I’ve got some heading my way now. Cheers Mike.

The Joyner spare parts draught is over thanks to No Limits Powersports, your source for Joyner Parts. They will be landing the first container of two in the next couple of days. These two containers are packed solid with genuine Joyner parts. For more info please don’t hesitate to contact Snowman6479 right here on UTV Boards or No Limits direct. Please support the people that have backed Joyner from the beginning, into the good old days, then through the dark days we are now climbing out of and into the future. These guys have been there through thick and thin and are the retail flagship for the brand. They will be our future too, so why would you look elsewhere. Do yourself a favour and back the people that backed our brand. Cheers Mike.

dirtydog, I don’t think you realise just how true the statement you made about is so very true, “things are looking up for Joyner fans”. Yes JMC have some parts finally, but the big news is, so does somebody else. No Limits have sourced some Joyner parts and will be busy right now going through their order. It gets better, they have another container on the water right now and will be with them, a few weeks behind this one. For more info please don’t hesitate to contact Snowman6479 right here on UTV Boards or No Limits direct, but I would imagine they will be flat out, adding items to their inventory, so give them a chance to sort the parts out first. These are genuine Joyner parts. Cheers Mike.

Here is a link to the 2008 T2 Parts manual/ http://www.jmcmotors.us/manuals/1100trooperT2_parts_manual2008.pdf This is the 2009 T2-T4 Manual http://www.jmcmotors.us/manuals/TR1100-T2-T4_manual2009.pdf I hope this helps, & I bet you can't wait to get out there enjoying it again. Cheers Mike.

There is major flooding in the South Island but we are fine here. Just north of us and right up to the top of the North Island, just had enough rain to break the early season drought, but that’s all good news. It all got soaked up without flooding. That’s part of the reason it’s so humid, the other reason is the sea temp. is above average and moisture gets sucked into the air. It’s just been reported that we can expect double the amount of tropical cyclones (southern hemisphere hurricanes) this season and where I live, we will get slammed . Aussie is getting hammered and have not heard from my sister since Xmas who lives in Queensland, but out of the worst flooding area. I saw something interesting the other day on the news about the gulf stream that runs up your east coast, apparently it’s slowing down and stopping. It normally carries warm currents right up the east coast into Canada & over to Europe. This helps to stop the weather you are getting now. Not sure if it has stopped or not, but the fact remains that the water near the coast is colder than normal. Geez, Todd from N.D would be a bit of a hard man, but like I keeping on saying 4x4x454, if you get sick of some of that white stuff, post it over here, I’d love it. rocmoc, I hope you and some of the others meet up with Quig when he is down your way. I’ve got to know him quite well over the last few months with a whole array of emails exchanged because of my enclosures and I know you guys will enjoy his company. Your friendly weatherman, Mike.

SOMEWHERE WARM! That would be New Zealand right now. Eat your heart out rocmoc. She sure is warm here but we have the humidity too and that makes it hot & moist, sticky in fact. Last week it was 24 first thing in the morning and a couple of hours later, it had climbed to a smelting 30 with 90% humidity. I would swap it for snow in a flash. I've seen the wild weather you guys are getting over there and Australia plus most of Europe too, so I do feel for you. It was so hot and sticky last night, I found my self walking along the beach about 1am this morning. Man the weather is going crazy. Cheers Mike.

Looks like I got quoted. What I will say is, in the very last post on that link, Joyner in China were not on strike. The electric power company in their province in China was on strike. Cheers Mike.

This is where the Trooper has an advantage already, because of the length and width plus a bigger, stronger engine that will handle future modifications because of its drivetrain configuration. There’s a thought, what will the 2016 Trooper look like and how will it perform after another 5 or 6 years of development. One thing is for sure, it will be a lot harder to get a comfortable ride, even with the best suspension possible, out of something less than the Trooper’s footprint, especialy at speed on the rough stuff. It’s the same with speed boats, you might get a pocket rocket that will go fast on calm water, but add waves and you need a longer hull to handle the uneven surface. It’s the same on land. Why is the RZR-S more stable than the RZR and why did a RZR-4 win it’s first race it entered over the RZR-S, link http://www.atvmagonline.com/2010/10/ranger-rzr-4-wins-blue-water-desert-classic/ ? Because the RZR-S has width over the RZR & RZR-4 has width and length over the RZR & RZR-S. I can see more RZR-4s racing next year and dominating. Turn the RZR-4 into a two seater with good storage behind the drivers and passengers seats and maybe shift those seats back a bit and you might find your Snowmobile performance in UTVs now Lenny. Cheers Mike.

I agree and nothing like a good clean healthy debate. We didn’t even get to swear at each other. I did know about the Chery engine. I sold a Joyner Renegade to a farmer early last year and in six months put 5000 km on the clock. He had a few issues such as a master brake cylinder, but the engine was fine as it is now. I’m from New Zealand and over here most farmers use ATV Quad Bikes to do most of the work around the farm like towing 1/2 tonne feed out trailers, the result is the Quad bike is a spent force within a year. UTVs can handle the abuse far better the ATVs will. Plus with the high fatality with Quads in NZ too, even fun parks that hire out Quads are re-thinking. Like you, I see a very bright future with UTVs. I hear all the time in the States that larger 4WD vehicles like Jeeps are getting sold and replaced with UTVs because they can’t keep up with their buddies on the trails who own a UTV. I personally would rather have an average UTV than the best ATV. Thanks for the photos, wow, very nice. J.D is looking to get some customers back and I think they are well on their way. The Hood, Lights and Doors are a winner for sure. The Dragonfire Gator looks bloody good, but these guys could make on old Mule look nice. Not as hot as this Gator though. I can’t wait to see the new A.Cat Sport model too. Stay in touch Darryl and thanks once again for the spy photos and our discussion. With all this rambling on between us, Steven has probably gone out and brought another Harley. Cheers Mike.

Darryl, excellent reply and thanks for taking the time to debate this for all of us here. You obviously know Artic Cat better than me, you have the passion for the brand and I like that. I have used Sides X Sides Data, as I have Jon Crowleys on UTV Guide to help put together a UTV comparison myself that I published on my website a couple of years ago. What you have shown me, is all the old data maybe out of date and I need to work on it or take it down. Ill take it down for now regardless. Thanks for that. I do use Jons two websites UTV Guide and UTV Weekly for updates on new models as they appear. Jon Crowley and Charlene Bower put together what I reckon is the best on-line UTV magazine with UTV Weekly. If Jon's data with Artic Cat is out of date, then Im out of date too. It wouldnt be that out-dated IMHO. To reply to you and carry on the debate, the minus on the weight for the Prowler was from a Quote on UTV Guides comparison with sport UTVs. I happen to agree with you here and will say that weight is not a problem for the Cat. I take that back. I will stick to what I said about fuel economy. How is it that the Gators fuel economy is better that the Cats when you consider that the Cat is lighter with a more powerful engine. If I didnt know the answer then I would say the heavier UTV with the smaller engine would have to work harder to do the same as the lighter more powerful UTV and in doing so, burn more fuel. Its actually the other way around and heres why. The Cats engine is powerful but its drive train has to work really hard to get that performance. Its only got two pistons, four valves and a SOHC configuration. The Gator has three pistons, twelve valves and a more efficient DOHC engine configuration. 10,000 miles from new, you will have one type of engine outlasting the other and that would be the more efficient drive train outlasting the other one. There is no hiding from that. So the Gators fuel economy and engine life is a clear winner. I had a look on the internet and I stand what I said about the enclosures. You however sell three types of A.Cat enclosures, so this is not a problem for you. Warn winches are one of the best, not sure about the easiest to wire up, Joyners are pre-wired front and rear and slot right into the front or rear hitches. They arent Warn winches though. The info on the hitch for the Gator came from the Side X Side shoot outs. The first time they tested below the rated value, the hitch broke on a brand new A.Cat unit. Jon also states in UTV Guide for the latest Cat (copy & paste) The Arctic Cat Prowler Hitch is 2", but is not strong enough to handle much of a load. This is what I understand too. If this info is out of date, good to here it, but I have not got proof that this is the case. Good advice about the dealer for Steven and I get the feeling you would be in that category as one of the better dealers out there. For me, A.Cats just dont do it, as good as the 950cc maybe, but thats preference too. Plus I dont think Jon Crowley would be to far out of date, but stand to be corrected. I would love to see more Cats racing and I know with the 950cc engine they will do very well. The Gator wont touch the Cat here, but also excited to here from you that Gators will soon be part of the racing action. Please keep us up to date with the progress. Cheers Mike.

Darryl, good response to my post and what that tells me is that I need to research and quote on only the latest model released. You deserve an in-depth explanation on my ratings and thats just what I will give you. What I have said still stands, all be it a bit reckless in not quoting the latest model and most powerful engine in its line up. I was lazing in quoting older models to speed my post up. I was reckless yes, but not subjective of my own opinions, very much based on specifications and performance for each model I quoted.I was quoting a 09 Rhino 700 so had a look at the upgrades and not a lot has changed. Those marks stand. The A.Cat I quoted on was also out of date. It was the A.Cat Prowler 700XTX from a couple of years ago. I didnt think much of it then, but with the 2011 updates and a new model called a 700HDX, it is a far more capable machine, but still a lot I dont like. The Gator, Club Car and Ranger were all based on the latest model available. I suspect that in your post, you are talking about the A.Cat XTZ with the 950cc engine. With this engine you would rank higher in 9 Big Time Horsepower, but I would like to pick up on a few things you have said. All UTVs should have a winch and I quoted on that. The A.Cat XTZ has got only 10 of ground clearance, it needs a winch, no amount of H.P will pull you out if you have beached the bottom and with only 10 you will find it beached often in my terrain. The Gator rates higher for hunting because of its higher towing and payload capacity. UTV Guide rate the A.Cat XTZ 950cc, 3 out of 10 for centre of gravity rating and that is very poor. This rating is bad, due to the low ground clearance and very high seat height of 34 . What will happen if you are loaded to your limit with a couple of hogs or deer in the tray and you go around a corner to fast? Thats why I said its good for birds and rabbits. Why did I give the Prowler 3 out of 10 for Cab Enclosures and Windshields. Im in the business of selling enclosures and windshields . I have asked my manufactures about the Artic Cat and why we dont stock them and it comes down to numbers. There is not a lot of call for them. John Deere on the other hand is well catered for by us and every other enclosure manufacture out there. We sell 10 different J.Deere enclosure configurations in 5 different colours (that = 50 J.D Enclosures) including 3 Camo colours. We have no Artic Cat enclosures, however I wished we did. We will be adding Artic Cat this year. The fuel economy for the A.Cat 700 or 950cc models is far poorer than the Gators, that means either you go further with the Gators superior fuel economy or you need to carry fuel cans for the Cats at the risk of tainting your game. The Gator and Cat can not compete against the Club Cars Intellitach system for attachments and the Cat gets a low score because of its poor quality and strength with its receiver hitch. As you sell both models, I hope this gives you food for thought anyway. Personal, I dont like Rhinos or Artic Cats so am I one eyed? Could be, but the problem is you can not hide or change each UTVs specifications. Specs are facts and I have only used specs on each vehicle. See http://www.utvguide.net/utv_comparison.htm and look on the comparison chart. When you read this, UTV Guide agrees with what I say about the Prowlers. The Cat had the lowest ground clearance the lowest score for centre of gravity, dam near the highest price. Further reading below this adds against the Prowler, a minus on weight, minus on seat height, they gave it a minus on width, Ill disagree and give it a thumps up here, a minus on locking/unlocking the diff and a big minus for its hitch (I would not tow an empty trailer with a A. Cat). Given what you said about the bench seat option, I did not know that and will add another 7 points. Big time H.P another 1. There is no beating the fact that you have 5 pro hunting guides that have brought Artic Cat Prowlers off you, so Im willing to up Hunting up to a solid 8. That gives you a total of 51 out of 90. Sorry Darryl, but there it is. Cheers Mike.

I have done a reasonable amount of research into the pros & cons of each UTV model against each other and feel I can add a bit here. I’m also a Joyner man through and through, so will only comment on the mentioned models. Of the UTV models mentioned so far you can forget the Rhino for your needs. It would score high on 4,5,6 in standard form and 9 with big time $. The Rhino would score low on 1,2,3,7,8 and 9. (9 in standard form) The Rhino gets a 10 for cab enclosures and windshields because this UTV is well catered for with all aftermarket parts. The Prowler would score high on 1 if it was just for small game like birds and rabbits. The Prowlers weakness is towing, hauling and poor quality and strength with it’s receiver hitch. The only thing going for a Prowler is good power. The John Deer Gator 825i is the real deal for hunting. It scores highly for all you needs. The engine is very solid and is built to last. It has a good size tray, power to tow and load your bed. Out of the five so far, this would be my pick. The engine in this Gator, separates it from all other Gators and takes it to a new level. Now the Club Car 1550. Really happy to see one of it’s owners on UTV Boards. These machines are true work horses and the only reason it did not beat the John Deere is the low score for enclosures & windshields (you can get them, but they are more expensive and you have a small choice compared to the Gator) and it is down on power from the Gator. The Kubota Diesel in the Club Car is a mighty engine and what it looses in speed it makes up for in low down power. The Intellitach system gives this UTV a 10 out of 10 for requirement 5. I did the Ranger on it’s 800 2011 model. Other Ranger models in past years would of scored a lot lower. It would of come in front of the Gator if it wasn’t for the powerful Gator engine. The best engine out of the whole lot and one that will be going the longest is the Gators. You could drive this for decades I reckon. I’ll rate the models mentioned below from 1 to 10. 1---2---3---4---5---6---7---8---9---Out of a poss. 90 6---2---2---9---9--10--2---1---4--- Rhino=45 6---3---1---6---6---3---4---3---8--- Prowler=38 8---9---8---8---9---9---9---9---9--- JD 825i=77 8---8---8---8--10--3---9---9---7--- Club Car 1550=70 8---9---8---8---8--10--9---9---7--- Polaris Ranger=76 1.Hunting 2.Hauling material (in bed and trailer) 3.Possible multiple passengers 4.Needs winch 5.I will need attachments (mowing attachment, ploughing attachments, disc attachments, etc) 6. possible windshield and cab enclosure 7. tilt bed with 600 bed weight capacity 8. towing capacity 1000 lbs. 9. big time horsepower Steven, sorry to here about your friend and I hope this help you make up your mind. You might also like to look at some websites like http://www.utvguide.net/ but they will always be one eyed towards the big brands. Specifications speak volumes. Cheers Mike

Looks like it is a dead duck. Maybe I should of gone for the ten worst, but then we wouldn’t of had any winners or should I say loser's. What made me think of it in the first place was Quig's rear end (that’s his Trooper) and then stevozz’s mean green machine. Cheers Mike.

To my old mate Jimmy, a very happy Christmas and New Year to you too. Keep up the good work with your search & rescue team. Great that you can add to your community in this way and good to see you are still enjoying your RZR. The Joyner Trooper still dominates here and has grown beyond belief with new Trooper and Renegade owners signing up all the time. These guys are like family and UTV Boards is like a drug. Don’t be a stranger, we need more people for the other UTV threads and would love to see Polaris gain a foothold on UTV Boards too. Even if it is you just posting to start with, it would be sure to grow with the popularity and strength of the Polaris brand. Regardless, it would be nice to hear from you more often. Take care and hope you and your family has a great Xmas. Cheers Mike.

Quig’s Rig is a sexy beast and that’s given me an idea for a new poll. Which would be, “UTV Boards best looking Trooper. There is a whole array of Troopers out there that has had the magic wand treatment and I reckon it’s time to vote for the best looking spruced up Trooper. Maybe we can pre-vote for say a top ten line up, then narrow it down to four and then go to a poll. I’ll start a new post here http://www.utvboard.com/topic/2007-best-ten-troopers-on-utv-boards/ . I reckon Quig's rig will always have the best rear end regardless. Thanks Mike.

Here is the new post to vote for the best ten Troopers out there. Just add a reply and add who you like and then after a period of time, one of the moderators can take over, count up and start the poll with the top four. It could be because of aftermarket upgrades, stock upgrades or just a fantastic photo. I’ll start the ball rolling, one vote for each of these Troopers. You can cast a vote for your Trooper. Quig's Rig. Great Ass. http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2129294760104282158swtAvD 4x4x454’s Rig Beautiful photos. Snowman's No Limits rig last year. There is no way you can leave this beast out. http://image10.autorevo.com/380/pics/2782743_914acbc1-d44b-4318-9ee1-5ac71a1e7831.jpg stevozz’s rig. Are you kidding, have you seen the photos yet. http://www.utvboard.com/gallery/member/744-stevozz/ Were got to have a couple of T4’s so Rick’s http://www.utvboard.com/gallery/album/475/29-my-t-4/ and Paiute’s T4 That will do for a start. I didn't add Lenny's, rocmocs, Kinarfi's, plumbers and others because I know they will be included. Mines not there cause she's stock standard apart from a few hidden bits. A plane Jane that rock and rolls. Cheers Mike.

Hi JK 7 welcome to UTV Boards and glad to see another Renegade owner here. I have just recently got some American made Joyner Trooper Lexan Windshields and full enclosures made up for some members here at a cost rate (well and truly below the retail cost) so I could market and sell them on my website. I am also looking for Renegade R2 & R4 owners for the same reason. This will happen, its just a matter of locating at least five customers for each model to get these made up. They are made by GCL UTV Enclosures in Paris Kentucky. I will need one donor UTV for each model & they will receive an enclosure or Lexan Windshield for well below the cost rate. If you or anybody reading this, that lives near Paris KY and has a Renegade R2 or R4, please contact me and I will sort you out a folding or fixed Windshield, or full enclosure. My website is http://www.pacificeagleutv.com/ and from there, go onto Joyner Trooper T2 to view a one of our fixed Joyner Lexan Windshields. JK of note, the R2 and R4 Windshields are the same size and a folding Windshield will be more expensive than a fixed one. Cheers Mike.