I say "go Jarrad", if Jarrad hadn't spoke up you guys with the 4 cylinders would have payed $175 more for a little more hp. As the end users I think we should stand together. I'm not against anyone making a reasonable amount of profit, however, in this case with few Joyner dealers or parts availability the last thing any of us wants is for someone to take advantage of us just because they have one of the few games in town. Plumber, if folks don't want to pay your price for your knowledge then that's their option but all they have to do is pick-up the phone and call another plumber, there's plenty in the yellow pages. We don't have that option so its up to us and this forum to keep things reasonable and gain knowledge from each other. Silverbullet, balls in your court.