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This is as good as you can get. Custom shock hoops, lowered diff, aftermarket shocks to equal about 12.5 to 13" of travel. The cv's are ultimately what limit us from more. This is plenty for rock crawling but not enough for big high speed whoops. I have contemplated longer A arms, but I got this dialed in right now and I don't really want to mess with it anymore. Also, I would need to source longer axle shafts.

Hear the sound of this badboy:

Any questions? How about what are the gear ratios in the manual tranny of our trooper 1100's? I called several weeks ago and was told a technician would call me back. I never heard back. What are Joyners plans for the future? You need to update your product. I suggest mo powa, more suspension and lighten things up. Look into the 1500cc engine Renli put in there buggy and go bigger and better! KEEP JOYNER RELEVANT

Post some pics and video on the trooper.

Chery 1100=80kg/176lbs Ecotec 1.4l w/turbo=107.5kg/237lbs Chery 1500=110kg/242lbs As you can see its lightwe than the engine in renli 1500. The tranny in the chevy cruze is about 80lbs heavier than our TINY little 5 speed. Besides infinite gearing, the number main reason popo, can am and arctic cat sick with the cvt is their low weight and low cost to build. The weak link being a big rubber band is putting all the power to the ground. We want a bigger/stronger transmission its gonna be heavier.

So I made an offer on a donor car, but it was turned down. Still shopping down. A little more research: The motor is about 50 more pounds than our chery 1100 and the auto tranny is about 100 lbs heavier so total weight gain is 150lbs. This isn't too bad, but with the extra weight and power the chassis and suspension will need to be beefed up. Additionally I am concerned with the rear differential strength. Recently the portal boxes for utv's has caught my attention. They drastically reduce the forces put on a drivetrain. Of course as many of you know they don't make one for the Trooper and probably never will. They may be willing to offer a portal box for the new renli 1500 depending on sales. This we could possibly adapt to our troopers.

Joyner USA never called me back on our granny gear. Anyone know what ratio our granny gear is? I will make contact will some wiring company's this week to see if they can make a standalone harness for this and how much. I am only hearing great thing about this motor for how small it is.

So, I have found a very possible and very interesting engine swap after looking for quite awhileBTW I am still looking and researching. I present to you the 1.4L cylinder out of a Chevy Cruze. Let me first caveat this by saying I have NO problem with my Chery engine. But it seems to have only so much potential and there is not enough technical support and R&D out there. Considering there are thousands and thousands of Chery 1100s out in the world (mostly in other countries) we should have WAY more options than we do. The problem I DO have with the Chery 1100 is the transmission it is bolted too. Even if you BORE, Supercharge, Nitrous this engine the tranny just too weak. I would be more inclined to do motor work if there was a stronger gearbox we could strap to it. My experience has shown me the output shaft is weakthats a stock motor. If you power it up what is next to goprobably clutches. NOW--Why the 1.4L turbo out of a Chevy Cruze? ITS AN ECOTEC! They are plentiful (fleet car motor) and can be had for relatively cheap ($500-$2000 depending on condition and if it comes with or without the turbo). They are compact and lightweight--all aluminum block and cylinder head. They are decently powered (138hp) and even better torque (148 ft/lbs)!!! Most smaller engines, to include ATV/UTV gas powered engines, the hp numbers are always higher than torque numbers. I care about TORQUE! In this case torque is the king over hp and it peaks at 2500 rpm!!! This motor was specifically designed to produce low to mid-range torque. Also, keep in mind factory engines are designed to be economical. This engine could be easily tuned or a bigger turbo installed to go well over 200 hp. Now, the most IMPORTANT partputting the power to the ground: The stock Cruze comes with either a six speed manual or an automatic/hydramatic six speedwith manual shift capability!!! Now, I know what you are thinking. We need a low first gear. Now, I cant find anything online about the Troopers first gear ratio. I called Joyner and I am waiting for a call back. If anyone knows please post. My best guess is its around 5:1??? More intriguingfirst gear in the manual of the Chevy Cruze is 4.27 which is quite low in comparison to most cars being in the 3:1 range. EVEN BETTER the automatic comes with a first gear ratio of 4.58 to one. That is the lowest factory first gear ratio I have found in any FWD 4 cylinder car so far. If you know of one lower please share. Now that may not be low enough for us, but when you keep in mind WE ARE DOUBLING OUR TORQUE it should offset the need for a granny gear. Last, it comes with the manual shift option. This means you can just push the lever forward to shift and back to downshiftNO CLUTCH! Now this is just a birds eye view of this potentially sweet drivetrain swap. Outside of the normal custom intake/exhaust, mounts, rewiring of any engine swap here are some of the bigger things that need to be figured out/answered: How do we lock up the differential in the gearbox differential like the trooper is? The trooper has basically a spool (fully locked). In RWD buggies Joyner turns the motor and tranny 90 degrees and opens the differential (I hear some models are full locked). How would auto/hydramatic transmission handle the stress of offroad? Will technology get in the way of making things simple? Nowadays if you disconnect a seat belt sensor the car wont start (exaggerating herea little). How hard will it be to simplify the ignition system and get the electronics for the transmission of in harmony? Interested to hear your guys thoughts and concerns

Would that include wiring harness? Who do I buy it from? Details?

StI'll got mine! Putting on shows for the rzr watchers.

Spring rates I am running: Front 350 over 225 Rear 550 over 550

We need to get info on these and see what a engine and tranny would cost. I will be the guinea pig if it's not to expensive, but I do need to know if they have a low first gear for crawling or I am not interested. If anyone has any info please share. I will be looking into it as well. 108 NA no sure sounds nice.

I will look at my rates and let you know. It's been awhile sof need to look to make certain.

Always ready for Moab!

Thanks plumber...I still haven't needed anything major.

Jeff, I am not selling the other seats yet, but you are first in line if I do. These seats took way more effort that it was worth to position them to an acceptable position. I already run my seat in as far back as it will go and so I had to figure out how to have them all the way back and leaned back another 20 degrees. I probably lost about an inch of leg room in doing so. They also sat higher and I had to mount them lower and removed my storage box below the drivers seat. I have to build a custom storage box now. The bonus is it will be bigger.

I modified my entire suspension and my spring rates won't work for a stock set up. I have written a lot about my suspension on this forum and you should be plenty of info if you search. There are others on here that have listed spring rates that work for a stock suspension.

Ok, so I am getting older and my back is starting to suck. The old joyner trooper seats were great for their time, but can't compare to what's out there now. I really liked the stock seats in my wife's wildcat and I was able to pick up 4 of them for $150 used. They lay back about 15 to 20 degrees more than the trooper. I also got rid of the metal plates saving about 30 to 40 lbs total (the wildcat seats are super light). They aren't adjustable, but they are easily removed by just pulling a latch in the back and lifting forward jus like many of the rzr's and wildcats out there. They are really going to save my back.

Did you say easy? Is there such a thing on a motor and tranny conversion? I have caught wind of a few members starting a possible swap, but then they die of old age before it's done. You need to find a fwd car with a really low first gear, I can't think of any, then weld the differential together so they are locked. I think finding a motor the right size with a low first gear is the hardest part. Keep us posted if you find anything. I will do the swap myself if we find the right set up.

Did you say easy? Is there such a thing on a motor and tranny conversion? I have caught wind of a few members starting a possible swap, but then they die of old age before it's done. You need to find a fwd car with a really low first gear, I can't think of any, then weld the differential together so they are locked. I think finding a motor the right size with a low first gear is the hardest part. Keep us posted if you find anything. I will do the swap myself if we find the right set up.

Lol, my wife did this to the point that the brakes caught on fire. I had to replace the rear calipers. My solution was to remove wife from drivers seat. I haven't had any issues since!

Keep working on it. I am definitely interested. Let's make sure it's thoroughly tested.

Awesome. Keep those quality parts coming. Do you have a non-chinese tie rod ends for troopers? The stock ones are horrible and get sloppy in a few miles.

If you are having trouble with the mounts not being the right size find a spacer and sleeve the bolt then drill your mounts to accommodate the size of the spacer.

That is a sweet ride. You gotta take them off and get a fully extended and compressed measurement. Then you should be able to match them up with a namebrand shock like fox, king, walker evan etc. Joyner uses Chinese shocks with metric diameters. It would be best to get all new springs as well. With the correct valving and spring rates your machine will ride 1000 percent better. Here in the States I used Offroad Warehouse. They can help get you close to what you need. I drive a trooper so what I am using won't help.