Inner CV housing issue

[Tinman]

Mi inner cv Housings wobble around on the splined diff shaft. All inner ones have this issue.

Does anyone else have this, and does it get worse as you use it?

I've got 7k miles, and have been contemplating a fix - 2 10x1.25 in-line tapped holes in the housing over the splined shaft with two SHCS bolts, as short as possible locking them in and keeping them from wobbling.

Keeping the bolts short prevents balance issues, and SHCS are case hardened. Dimpling the shafts would keep from damaging them and make removal easier. On a side note, I could also permanently remove the locking rings, as the bolts would do the same.

Thoughts?

[rocmoc]

Are you talking about drivelines from the tranny to the diffs OR half shafts from the diffs to the wheels?

rocmoc n AZ/Mexico

[Tinman]

Half Shafts - diffs to wheels, inner and all four of them. Wobble all over the shaft

[Guest Lenny]

I've been meaning to post this for some time now so maybe now is a good time. I didn't fix mine because I thought they would wear out but I'm sure they do wear some. I mainly fixed mine because of the clunking noise they can make. Fixing it means four less places making noise. This is what I did to fix mine. I started out by using a 1/16" thick cutoff wheel and cut 6 slots into the spline end of the CV outer housing. These were cut all the way down to the base. I then machined the area with the slots on a taper of .020" per 1" of outer length. The taper wants to run to the larger part of the outer but no more. Leaveing as much material as possible but still having a full length taper. I then took a 3/4" thick round ring and machined a taper on its ID to match and sized so it would almost slide on but be about 1/8" of getting flush. One of the pictures shows it slid on this far. I then set the outer up in an hydraulic press. Didn't have one and always was going to build one, so I did. It's a 25 ton bench design. Got everything set up to be able to press the ring onto the spline. It requires taking the output shaft out of the differential, I had an extra one laying around so I used it. At that point, I heat the outers end to a cherry red and press the collar on, but not all the way. I wanted to go about 2/3 of the way to the bottom. I didn't want to go so far, making it too tight so that I couldn't slide them on the splines. I probably should have gone only about 1/2 way down because mine were a bit tight but they did go on with some medium tapping with a lead hammer. It would be better to be a bit loose and have to go back reheat and give it a little more then to be too tight. Once pressed on the hot red hot end, I let it cool for about 3 hours. By the way I punched the little plug that separated the spline from the joint itself out. Don't need it when things are tight. I then put 3 setscrews in the ring to tighten against the outers od. These were 120 degrees apart. I also drilled and taped three 3/8 fine bolt holes in the side of the ring again 120 degrees apart. With hex bolts in the taped holes, the heads towards the larger end of the outer, provides a way to get the ring slid back off when removal is required. When assembling, I would slide the collar on as far as it would go without forcing it and install the CV outer on the output shaft. I then used a puller to draw it onto the taper which makes it all act like a collet. It gets real tight. I then tighten the 3 setscrews to hold things in place. By the way, I used never seez on the rings Id to keep it from galling onto the shaft. It works great and is super solid on the shaft.

Lenny

[Kinarfi]

I assume there in no longer a circlip in there and did you do anything on the line of tempering the metal or does it not need any?

[Guest Lenny]

The clip is gone and It doesn't need tempering. I used a hack saw to test the material and found it was quite soft. Figured it being soft it would be fine. After I was done it tested the same with the hack saw. I tested it on an old CV outer first and it was fine so I went ahead and did the 4 on the Trooper. I, like everyone else, hated that clip.

Lenny

[Tinman]

Very elegant solution Lenny. It ensures a perfect, tight fit.

[Kinarfi]

So how long will it take you to do mine after you get them? I'll disassemble and clean them before I send them.

[Guest Lenny]

Lets see, at a discounted 85 dollars an hour if I hurry, about 10-12 hours.

Lenny

[plumber]

WOW,I,m amazed one more time.

[charlie]

Personally I think Lenny should design a new trooper lol we all love them and at times hate them thank god there's great people on the sight

[Kinarfi]

  On 4/21/2013 at 11:48 PM, charlie said:

Personally I think Lenny should design a new trooper lol we all love them and at times hate them thank god there's great people on the sight

Personally , I believe he already has

[Guest Lenny]

Actually I have been thinking of building one from scratch. Been thinking about selling mine because I'll need the room in my shop. Hate too, I've done so much to it, its a real solid buggy now and real fast but can't hang on to it and build one at the same time. Going to take a beaten on it. Got a lot of money into it but its not about the money but being able to be creative with something. After all, my basic life career has be in product development which I love very much. I have learned an awful lot, a lot of it from you guys here.I have more fun trying new things then riding so I'm going to have to give up riding for a while. Jeanne and I are planning on getting a larger 5th wheel trailer and doing some longer term trips. General exploring, site seeing and some prospecting. Maybe three or four months at a time. Have wanted to do that for years. Sort of just shy of being a full time vacationer. We won't be taking the Trooper, won't be able to double trailer any more, too long. Plan on throwing a couple of dirt bikes on the back of the 5th wheel. Plan on doing the design work in Solidworks on the computer while on the road. Looking forward to it. So if you see my Trooper on Ebay at some point, you'll understand my plans. I very much plan on staying around. After all, we all have become like a family here.

Lenny

[Kinarfi]

Well I can't say I'm too surprised, I think you'll make a fantastic rig, I just wish we lived closer so I could come watch and help. Good luck to you and I look forward to seeing what you come up with, but will miss having to opportunity to ride with you and Jeanne from time to time. Let me know if you end up in my area.

Kinari

[charlie]

Wow holy shit Lenny this bums me out but good luck !!!!!!!whos gonna be the expert on advice now or come up with get ideas to fix trooper??? What's the price tag gonna be on yours! Best of luck man thanx for all the help u have given me

[Guest Lenny]

Thanks! I don't know, I guess the market will decide. I would like to get 18K out of it. I have about 10K more then that into it. I would like to see someone buy and race it. Its real fast and handles the rough stuff good. Its a riot to blast the trails with and great in the dunes. I guess time will tell what someone is willing to pay for it. Here I go again getting ready to dive into another money pit. Doesn't matter, I'm having loads of fun and meeting great people along the way. Can't ask for more then that. I'll still be here on the forum throwing out my 2 cents worth for what its worth.

Lenny

[Tinman]

So,

I didn't do Lenny's fix, cus you need balls, acetylene and a lathe, etc.,

I tapped into the housing over the output shaft, and put in 10mm screws.

FYI, the housing is soft but the spline on the inside is case hardened. I'm figuring about 60 rockwell. I used a combination of concrete bits and a regular HSS drill to get through, then ground the inside to get rid of as much of the spline around the hole as possible so I wouldn't bugger up the taps too much.

A set of three taps - #1, 2 and bottoming got all holes done. This is an all day job because of the case hardening.

I'll let everyone know how it works out. It is quiter, but will it last?

If anyone is contemplating doing this, don't forget to taper the end of the bolts so they don't mushroom out and make it impossible to remove.

[2scoops]

Pictures? And I hope it works out well.